Extend house network to workshop

Extend house network to workshop

Extend house network to workshop
Extend house network to workshop
a week ago
Model: Archer AXE75  
Hardware Version:
Firmware Version:

I have a workshop in my backyard, about 100ft from the house and purchased a pair of CPE210 extenders to connect the shop to the house wirelessly.

The network consists of the following devices:

 

Cable Modem --- Archer AXE75 --- CPE210 (AP mode)  ) ) )    ( ( ( CPE210 (Client mode) --- Archer C7

 

I followed a post here to configure the C7 as an access point, but that caused the gateway to shift to the address of the client CPE or the C7, breaking internet access for any device that picked up the rogue gateway.  TP-Link support suggested I change the C7 to router mode which has resolved the gateway problem but devices I take to the shop now need manual intervention to use the network (I use the same SSID for clients in the house and shop, the CPEs use a different SSID to talk to each other).  Outside the manual connection, the current setup works pretty well, a slower in the shop than I expected but good enough for now.

 

I am considering purchasing a newer equipment that could be configured as an access point without causing other problems, and boost the WiFi signal on the far side of the house where the CPE210-AP is located.  Would a pair of Deco XE75s configured as access points work in this situation?

 

Cable Modem --- Archer AXE75 ---  Deco XE75 (AP mode) --- CPE210 (AP mode)  ) ) )    ( ( ( CPE210 (Client mode) --- Deco XE75 (AP mode)

 

This Deco model matches the main router specs but exceeds the capability of the extended network in the shop due to the limited bandwidth supported by the CPE210... a lower model Deco supporting Ethernet backhaul might work too, like the Deco X10 with minor speed impact at that end of the house.  One strong preference - I would like at least one available Ethernet port on the shop device for a machine there that doesn't work well on wireless, which rules out the more affordable AP only devices.  Other hardware suggestions are welcome too.

 

Thanks, John

  0      
  0      
#1
Options
6 Reply
Re:Extend house network to workshop
a week ago

  @Snorkydoodle 

 

Is it possible for you to run a ethernet to your workshop?

 

I know this can be a 'job' in itself but it does have its advantages in terms of stable connection and higher speeds compared to trying to connect units wirelessly.  

 

I only ask as I have a 'mancave' at the bottom of my garden also around the 100ft away from my house. 

 

I've ran a ethernet from my main unit (Ax72 and then installed another Ax72 and have that in AP mode but have setup ssid/passwords ect the same as my main. 

 

Generally I don't have any issues when I travel between units in terms of my phone switching. I do however have a few devices that don't like switching over without having to turn the wifi on/off on certain devices. 

 

I get wifi from my main unit in my garden plus i also get extended wifi from my mancave unit covering my garden and some distance outside of it,  

 

also I have 4x extra ethernet ports on the back to use (currently using 1 for tapo camera) of you want to hard wire any devices. 

  1  
  1  
#2
Options
Re:Extend house network to workshop
a week ago

  @Basboi85 

 

A cable would be the best solution, but getting the wire outside the house is a challenge and I'd probably have to hire a contractor to bury it... didn't really consider that due to the problems getting it outside into the yard.  

 

If I ever had to replace the power line, I'd figure out a way to add Ethernet to that run in a heartbeat (isolated properly of course).

 

Thanks for the suggestion though!

 

John

  0  
  0  
#3
Options
Re:Extend house network to workshop
Yesterday

I did purchase a pair of Deco XE75s and connected them as proposed:

 

Cable Modem --- Archer AXE75 ---  Deco XE75 (AP mode) --- CPE210 (AP mode)  ) ) )    ( ( ( CPE210 (Client mode) --- Deco XE75 (AP mode)

 

They work, but the speed in the workshop is very slow (15Mb) and the Deco app shows the link between the Decos as WiFi, not Ethernet as they are connected - I doubt Deco could detect that the backhaul link between them is wireless ptp.  I dont see any setting in the app to force it to use the Ethernet backhaul but will continue playing with it,  If nothing else, the first Deco improved the wireless signal at that end of the house.  I would also prefer to set fixed IPs on the Decos but that doesnt seem to be an option.  :-(

 

Regards, John

  0  
  0  
#4
Options
Re:Extend house network to workshop
Yesterday

  @Snorkydoodle 

 

Not very clued up on deco units but can you skip the cpe210's and try and link the deco units themselves ?

 

I know on my Ax72 routers they have stupid amounts of reach (wifi signal) even when the transmission power is turned down. 

 

Maybe you will get better speeds by linking the deco units via wireless backhaul?

 

Have you tried using any apps that can measure when your switching between units down into your shed? 

 

WIFI MAN is a awesome app that shows you in real time of your device switching between devices 

 

This image above shows my routers and their signals from where I'm sat in my living room and as soon as i hot my kitchen I get signal from my man cave  but my top floor signal drops drastically. 

 

This one shows what im connected to and real time data of the wifi strength amd as I walk between each unit it shows ive connected to what ever unit I'm close too and that units wifi strength. 

 

 

I literally just went to my back door and got these signals and my back door is shut plus my man cave wall is wooden amd insulated

 

 

Then I walked down to my mancave and my phone then connected to my mancave unit when the signal dropped enough 

 

Then I walked back into my kitchen then my phone switched back over showing link speed ect 

  0  
  0  
#5
Options
Re:Extend house network to workshop
20 hours ago

  @Basboi85 

 

Hi Basboi,

 

With the door open to the workshop, I can see the house wireless with my laptop, but the signal drops when I close the door, so I need to extend the signal there somehow to make it useful.  We are looking to move someday (when the market becomes rational again) or I would run a wire as you suggested earlier.  Trying the WiFi connection for the Deco isnt a bad idea though, its radio could be better than my laptop and would be quick and easy to do.  

 

Looking at the CPEs earlier today, I found some internal tools including a speed test and a spectrum analyzer that ought to help improve my results.  I'm pretty sure I know the main issue - these units were meant to be mounted outside and I didnt - the AP is pointed out a window and the client is on the inside of an exterior wall (wood and vinyl siding on the outside).  I thought some interference might be acceptable since they are so close, mabe not.  I plan to move the client outside when the rain stops to see how much that helps.  I didn't realize this CPE model has a 100MB Ethernet port, so it wont go faster than that, but I would be satisfied if I got it working that well.

 

Thanks for the tip about WiFiMan, I'll have to take a look at that.  I use Metageek Insider Office at work, and they have a free version available I use at home... not as many features as the paid version but works well and offers feedback when it finds issues.  https://www.metageek.com/inssider/

 

Thanks, John

  0  
  0  
#6
Options
Re:Extend house network to workshop
12 hours ago

  @Snorkydoodle 

 

Ah yeah I would say having the CPE's inside would probably be having a negative impact as they not getting a clear line of sight so to speak even though they are very close to each other plus only being a 10/100 port, 

 

there would be a max of 100 and by the time for the signal degrading thanks to the walls ect you can see the impact already. 

 

Is there any way you could say try and move your mancave one outside with a longer ethernet just to test to see if you get a better through put? 

 

I think your house cpe if situated behind a window should be Ok pointed towards your mancave although not ideal as still has a object between the mancave cpe, I would definitely try moving the mancave cpe outside and inline/insight of the house one and I'm pretty sure that should improve the signal/speed quality. 

 

Failing that, if your up for spending a little bit of time and possibly a little bit more money if possible then it's running a ethernet cable to there , 

 

Granted not always the easiest of most fun of jobs but you'll have a more stable faster connection and cable depending future proof ( cat6) for years to come incase you stay at your current location for longer than expected 

 

And I think you'll be waiting a long time for the housing market to become 'rational' again with they way everything is going at the moment, 

  0  
  0  
#7
Options