Smart Device Connectivity Issue (Alexa/Philips Hue)

Smart Device Connectivity Issue (Alexa/Philips Hue)

Smart Device Connectivity Issue (Alexa/Philips Hue)
Smart Device Connectivity Issue (Alexa/Philips Hue)
Monday
Model: Archer AXE5400  
Hardware Version: V1
Firmware Version: 1.2.2 Build 20240827 rel.68051(4341)

BACKGROUND: For context, I am building a smart home for my parents in their home, using Amazon Echo Spot and Dot devices placed around the home, to allow my elderly parents to not only turn on/off smart bulbs (Philips Hue), but allow creating routines in the Alexa app to turn on/off lights for them so they're not sitting aroiund in the dark (a common event prior to my initial purchase/setup). To manage the network I had a 10+ year old ASUS wireless router.

 

PROBLEM: While I was able to connect Alexa to most of the smart plug/bulb/devices, 2 exterior Philips Hue smart bulbs (front door/over garage) commonly "disconnected". I attempted to resolve the issue by removiong the devices within the Alexa app, only to discover Alexa could no longer locate either smart bulb. The smart bulbs could be turned on manually, but somehow Alexa simply couldn't find them anymore. In addition, a Philips Hue smart bulb which was meant to illuminate the exterior patio was never be located by Alexa. As a test, I swapped the patio bulb for another bulb (downstairs) I know worked, reconnected to the swapped bulb (i.e. patio => downstairs)... but Alexa couldn't locate the new patio bulb. The patio light could be turned on and off, no issue, manually.

 

I initially attempted to resolve this problem by purchasing a Philips Hue bridge, a device meant to connect/manage all my Philips Hue devices and touted as the solution to my problems on another forum. I connected the bridge to my ASUS wireless router, setup the bridge, then searched for new smart devices... only problem was it found ZERO smart devices. Even Alexa managed to find most of them. Very disappointing. So I looked elsewhere for a solution...

 

SOLUTION?: I recently purchased a TP-Link AXE5400 Tri-Band WiFi 6E Router (Archer AXE75), to replace the old ASUS router, working on the assumption that signal strength might be the issue, as the wireless router is located in the basement. Initial attempts encountered the exact same issues. I was able to connect to every smarft device using the AXE5400... except the three exterior smart bulbs. I went back to the forums, specifically the Amazon Alexa forum, and inquired hoping they would help as the devices were being connected to via Amazon Echo devices. Some of the steps I took to setup the AXE5400 were:

 

  • 2.4GHz and 5GHz channels enabled under IoT Network
  • Connected Amazon Echo devices to 2.4GHz wireless connection
  • Powered down ASUS wireless router (to avoid confusion and force Alexa app to request new Wi-Fi)

 

Questions raised during the forum discussion which may be relevant, but went unanswered:

 

Amazon: If your TP-Link router has a "band steering" feature, try disabling it

Me: I searched online and discovered that yes, the TP-Link router DOES use band steering and it's managed under "Wi-Fi Settings", "Smart Connect" option (currently enabled). The description for this feature reads: "Smart Connect allows the router's 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands to use the same wireless settings. The router can balance network demand and assign devices to the optimum band.". However, this feature only exists for the WiFi channels, NOT the IoT Network channels. I assume I should be connecting my Amazon Echo to one of the IoT Network channels, in which case, I assume disabling the Smart Connect would have no impact.

 

Amazon: Look for settings like "AP Isolation" or "Client Isolation" and ensure they're disabled

Me: I located "AP Isolation" under Wireless > Additional Settings, but it was already disabled. WMM and Airtime Fairness, however, are enabled. No idea what they are, but they're in the same section. Under Security > Device Isolation, I found a section that reads: "Isolate devices (such as IoT devices) to protect your network from security threats.". This option is disabled.

 

Amazon: If possible, create a separate 2.4GHz network specifically for your smart home devices

Me: Not sure how to do that...

 

Amazon: Ensure your router is set to automatically assign IP addresses (DHCP)

Me: Under Network > DHCP Server, the DHCP Server setting is enabled. Under DHCP Client List, are all the wireless devices I connected to the TP-Link router, including one labelled "amazon" with its own unique assigned IP address.

 

Amazon: Have you checked if the TP-Link router has any specific settings for IoT or smart home devices that might need to be enabled?

Me: I accessed the web-based TP-Link router page and confirmed IoT Network which states "Create a dedicated wireless network to manage your loT devices together, such as smart lights and cameras.". Both 2.4GHz and 5GHz are enabled under IoT Network. I do not see any option for 6GHz under this section. As a note, both channels are using WPA2-PSK[AES] security. The exception being the 6GHz channel, which is using WPA3-Personal, in the Wireless Settings section (not IoT Network).

 

If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know. While I don't expect experts for Alexa to be on the forum, I'm hopeful that there are users or staff which are familiar with this type of issue (i.e. unable to locate smart devices using Alexa as the go-between) that someone can offer some advice. Any help would be appreciated as so far the TP-Link AXE5400 has not performed any better than my old ASUS router... and if that's the case I may end up returning the TP-Link AXE5400.

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Re:Smart Device Connectivity Issue (Alexa/Philips Hue)
Tuesday

Hi  @RWaszczuk,

If you have the same problem whether you connect to the old router or the new router, it may be that there are too many smart home devices or they are not placed in the suitable place. Especially, it is a bit difficult for outdoor products to connect to the router stably. Because Archer AXE75 is an indoor product, it mainly provides a network for indoor products.

 

Can you tell me how many smart home devices you have? For your case, my suggestion is:

 

1. Turn off some smart home devices and compare whether the other smart home devices can work normally or be recognized at this time?

 

2. You can also try to reset some smart home devices, and then connect them to the 2.4Ghz iot network, and the other part to the 2.4Ghz of the main network. Compare which part of the devices works more stably under different 2.4G networks?

 

According to our experience, if your smart home devices are widely distributed, especially some of them are placed outdoors, you can consider mesh network, that is, there are multiple router nodes in one network to expand the WiFi coverage and keep the same devices. For example, Deco mesh, easymesh.

 

In addition, if you want to keep the current two routers working together, I suggest that you can set the old ASUS router as an Access point or Range extender to extend the WiFi coverage, especially for outdoor smart home devices. Then connect some devices to the 2.4Ghz of the ASUS router.

 

Have you compared other 2.4G clients? Can they connect to the router's network stably? Because we don't know the parameters of Amazon smart home devices, my suggestions are based on our smart home products and the usage scenarios of the router. I hope it will be helpful to you.

 

It is also recommended that you consult Amazon's suggestions to quickly locate the problem.

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Re:Smart Device Connectivity Issue (Alexa/Philips Hue)
23 hours ago - last edited 23 hours ago

  @Joseph-TP 

 

Thanks for your response. Here are the answers to your questions:

 

Q: Can you tell me how many smart home devices you have?

A: The list of smart home devices and their locations are as follows:

  • Amazon Echo Spot (bedroom)
  • Amazon Echo Spot (downstairs)
  • Amazon Echo Dot (living room)
  • Philips Hue A19 Base E26 LED Smart Bulb
    • Downstairs
    • Patio (Exterior)*
    • Front Door (Exterior)*
    • Garage (Exterior)*
  • Philips Hue B39 Base E12 LED Smart Bulb
    • Upstairs Hallway (x2)
  • Amazon Smart Plug
    • Living Room (x3)
  • Dyson Hot+Cool (upstairs master bedroom)
  • Keurig Coffee machine (kitchen)
  • Roku Streaming Stick 4K (living room)
  • iPad (living room)
  • iPhone (my phone, which is not always at the house)

 

*Denotes the smart home devices that Alexa could not locate or connect to (anymore).

 

In addition, here are a few more facts to consider:

  • I purchased x6 Philips Hue GU10 LED Smart Bulbs, for the downstairs in the same room as the ASUS wireless router, but found only half connected (i.e. Alexa searched for new devices post-install) so I ended up returning all 6 pod light smart bulbs.
  • I purchased the second Amazon Echo Spot (downstairs, same room as wireless router) and the Amazon Echo Spot (living room) recently and both routers were able to connect with them, so even though the 3 exterior bulbs cannot be located, the router allowed Alexa to add 2 more smart devices. The same was also true for the Roku, Dyson, and Keurig smart devices, I added them only later after failing to connect the exterior smart bulbs.

 

 

Q: Turn off some smart home devices and compare whether the other smart home devices can work normally or be recognized at this time?

A: To confirm, are you suggesting I, for example, turn off the light switch for the downstairs smart bulb (which is connected) and then turn on 1 of the 3 exterior lights to see whether Alexa is able to locate them?

 

 

Q: You can also try to reset some smart home devices, and then connect them to the 2.4Ghz iot network, and the other part to the 2.4Ghz of the main network. Compare which part of the devices works more stably under different 2.4G networks?

A: My understanding is that the 2.4Ghz iot network is meant for smart devices. Right now the list devices shown under Network Map are:

  • amazon-f885441be2c7ad98 (tag: 5G)
  • AmazonPlug15JR (tag: 2.4G)
  • AmazonPlug18JJ (tag: IoT_2.4G)
  • AmazonPlug194J (tag: IoT_2.4G)
  • DESKTOP-K02CDIF (tag: LAN)
  • RokuStreamingStick4K (tag: 5G)
  • amazon-35d9f0c512871e3a (tag: IoT_2.4G)
  • iPad (tag: 5G)
  • iPhone (tag: 5G)
  • none (tag: IoT_2.4G)*

 

* That last one shows a microphone icon and its duration matches the Amazon Echo/Roku device duration times, so I assume its connected to them as all three devices do have "voice command" capabilities.

 

Based on this, which ones should I change? Obviously the Desktop is not using wireless, and I could even connect it directly to the modem if it poses any issue.

 

RE: Mesh network; I read only briefly on this topic while searching for a new wireless router. I understood the concept but was not sure if I needed one. I'll consider this option based on what's uncovered.

 

RE: TP-Link + ASUS routers; Interestingly enough I am currently doing something like this right now, as I wanted to keep using the Keurig and Dyson, but did not want to go to the trouble of setting them up on the AXE75 just yet until I worked out whether or not I was keeping it. The only issue would be locating where to move the ASUS or AXE75 router and, more importantly, how to connect the wireless router I do move to the modem. Right now I'm ruinning a line from the wireless routers (both) to the modem... just 2-3 feet apart. Would I need to buy a second modem to setup in another part of the house?

 

 

Q: Have you compared other 2.4G clients? Can they connect to the router's network stably?

A: To be clear, by "clients" are you referring to hardware? If so, then no, I have only ever owned the Amazon Echo devices to manage the "smart home" for my parents. Of course, as I mentioned/listed before there are several smart devices showing up in the Network Map which I connected to outside of the Alexa app.

 

One more question, is there a wireless router you would recommend over the AXE75? I selected it primarily based on review which considered it the best "overall" smart home wireless router.

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