@Sunshine Disconected the new VX1800v and plugged the old router back in - no issues so far. The intention was to upgrade/update the VR2800 with a newer model that is not marked as end of life and have something future-proof with built in Voip End result is something that is not fit for purpose and impressions of the VX1800v will foul the swear filter on this forum which in turn is preventing me from using the words that i would like to and are appropriate for the situation. If there is no fix available then the thing will be sent back with a scathing review left on the retailers and any other review site i can find also see here : https://community.tp-link.com/en/home/forum/topic/715290?replyId=1438238