PPSK Analytics / Insights; PPSK based VLAN security; Single vs Multiple SSIDs

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PPSK Analytics / Insights; PPSK based VLAN security; Single vs Multiple SSIDs
PPSK Analytics / Insights; PPSK based VLAN security; Single vs Multiple SSIDs
2024-05-31 08:23:14
Model: EAP653  
Hardware Version: V1
Firmware Version: 1.0.12 Build 20240131 Rel. 45061

Hello,

 

id like to ask on some advice for the following context and requirements:

- 3x EAP653

- OC200

- Smart Switches

- a few human users

- 50+ IoT devices

 

So far i thought to create a few VLANs: LAN(Management, Untagged), USER (Notebooks, Smartphones), IOT, DMZ and GUEST and have separate SSIDs for USER, IOT and GUEST. LAN and DMZ do not need to be accessible via WiFi.

 

Playing a bit with the recently purchased omada hardware, i realised i might not need separate SSIDs at all, since the PPSK features do allow to pin individual keys to specific VLANs.

 

Question 1: How secure is this separation? Is it simply logical, like when using tagged vlans via ethernet, or does omada somehow restrict clients from accessing other vlans and other wifi devices in the same SSID, but on different vlans?

 

Question 2: How big is the penalty on using separate SSIDs in terms of performance, especially given that this is not a high traffic environment and only a handful of users  do make actual traffic

 

Question 3: Having tested the PPSK w/o radius a bit, im unable to pin a client to a specific key. How can this be done? I can only see which SSID a client is connected too, but im missing crucial information on the PPSK and vlan/network being used. The vlan im only able to identify by matching the clients ip to my dhcp ranges.

 

Question 4: Ive read that PPSK are not compatible with Wifi 7 and 6 Ghz networks. Is this likely to change in the next 2 years or so? I guess i will have to upgrade to Wifi 7 APs at some point and would like to get around needing to set up the network and all the iot clients from scratch then.

Id really appreciate any advice / feedback on this.

Best
Moritz

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Re:PPSK Analytics / Insights; PPSK based VLAN security; Single vs Multiple SSIDs
2024-06-03 01:43:04

Hi  @madk_ 

Question 1: How secure is this separation? Is it simply logical, like when using tagged vlans via ethernet, or does omada somehow restrict clients from accessing other vlans and other wifi devices in the same SSID, but on different vlans?

 

Question 2: How big is the penalty on using separate SSIDs in terms of performance, especially given that this is not a high traffic environment and only a handful of users  do make actual traffic

 

Question 3: Having tested the PPSK w/o radius a bit, im unable to pin a client to a specific key. How can this be done? I can only see which SSID a client is connected too, but im missing crucial information on the PPSK and vlan/network being used. The vlan im only able to identify by matching the clients ip to my dhcp ranges.

 

Question 4: Ive read that PPSK are not compatible with Wifi 7 and 6 Ghz networks. Is this likely to change in the next 2 years or so? I guess i will have to upgrade to Wifi 7 APs at some point and would like to get around needing to set up the network and all the iot clients from scratch then.
 

1. It's like "when using tagged vlans via ethernet". Basically it depends on the router ACL settings. Omada switch and EAP just passthrough the VLANs;

 

2. Multi-SSID is good for management. For example you can have a SSID only for IoT devices, and make ACL to only main network access Iot VLAN, but deny access from IoT to main network. (Omada Router required);

 

3. We've send this as a product feedback. You can also start a new request thread;

 

4. Maybe someday there will be a solution. For now tp-link APs do not support PPSK on Wi-Fi 7 or 6Ghz. 

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