Found this.  See the outdoor test at the end (~17min in)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RlgahidU3A

Not sure what transmit power he is using (likely high or max) but signal drops to ~ -70 dBA at ~50-60 meters on both 2.4 and 5.8GHz with the included antennas.  Of course this outside with clear line of sight (no attenuating structures).   But the main problem will be the clients transmitting back to the AP through the obstructions.

Hii Jonathan aka @JSchnee21 

I assume these are mostly smart phones/tablets which folks will use for internet access, txting, streaming, etc?

Yes it is. +/-90% with smartphone/tablets +/-7% Laptop +/-3% Desktop gaming

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And the users are inside of their homes spread out over this area?  What kinds of materials are houses/rooves made?  Block, Brick, Adobe, metal?

Everything you can imagine is there
 

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Wireless MESH doesn't work well with when you have a high degree of user concurrency.

Agree

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Can you hardwire (Ethernet) them all? 

Sticking with the Circle concept, I'd start with 5 hardwired EAP225-Outdoor in a "plus sign" configuration:

              *

          100m

* 100m  *  100m *

          100m

              *

* = EAP225-Outdoor

Your other problem will be that Ethernet is limited to 100meters, so you'll need to put an Ethernet switch every 100m (e.g. one in the center) and wire out to each "spoke."

Sorry, but hardwire (Ethernet) is not costly effectively

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You'll definately need an OC-200 to manage things

Agree

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There are dedicated wireless backhaul options as well:

https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/outdoor-radio/cpe510/

https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/outdoor-radio/cpe210/

with 

              *

          100m

* 100m  *  100m *

          100m

              *

* = EAP225-Outdoor

Price for 1 point is using wireless

EAP225-Outdoor IDR 1.200.000

CPE 220 IDR 400.000

TL-WR820N Wireless N Router 300Mbps IDR 150.000

OC-200 IDR 1.000.000

Total 1.200.000 + 400.000 + 150.000 + 1.000.000 = 2.750.000

so for 4 point I need 4 x 2.600.000 = IDR 11.000.000

Sorry, but 4 point wireless is not costly effectively

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FYI every house have triangle roof with only tile or zinc or light steel

every house have +/- 4 user (father, mother, 2 kid)

So what I have to do is and what they have to do is

So I have to "force" them to put a indoor repeater inside their triangle roof not outside their triangle roof

So I only make sure that my signal walk through upper their triangle roof go to inside their triangle roof with only a tile or zinc or light steel barrier

Longest house is 250m

An indoor repeater (TP-LINK TL-WR840N 300Mbps Wireless Router Wifi Repeater)  is about IDR 170.000

I maybe need 50 indoor repeater to supply them (50 x 170.000 = IDR 8.500.000 ---> not my money)

Another Advantage is my EAP100 now only serve 50 indoor repeater simultanly

Hii @R1D2 

R1D2 wrote

First, total user capacity of a mesh is the same (or even fewer) than of a single wired EAP.

Second, EAP110-Outdoor can't be meshed. It lacks the 5 GHz channel a mesh uses.

Third, TL-ANT2412D is 2.4 GHz only. Shouldn't be used with EAP225-Outdoor, it needs the dual-band antennas included.

 

For 200 users you definitly need wired APs, mesh is not an option.

First, total user capacity of a mesh is the same (or even fewer) than of a single wired EAP.

Yes agree

Second, EAP110-Outdoor can't be meshed. It lacks the 5 GHz channel a mesh uses.

Another agree

Third, TL-ANT2412D is 2.4 GHz only. Shouldn't be used with EAP225-Outdoor, it needs the dual-band antennas included.

well I used TL-ANT2412D is 2.4 GHz in to EAP100-Outdoor

For 200 users you definitly need wired APs, mesh is not an option.

for a mesh, I agree

for wired AP in this century? well I need wireless

Thx for the reply 

Hii @R1D2 

R1D2 wrote

 

If you want to use the maximum capacity of client devices per EAP225-Outdoor (60-80 × number of EAPs), you must use cables for the backhaul, even in this century (you can use fiber cable if the century is important). The wireless part is »the last mile« resp. »the last 100 meters« to the client only.

 

With three wired EAPs you have 3 × »last meters« which can supply 60-80 × 3 = 180-240 clients and a total throughput of 3 × 1,167 Mbps between cable and all wireless clients. The cable's throughput is 2 × 1,024 Gbps total in both directions if it is Gigabit.

 

Oh Yeah...

Jonathan aka @JSchnee21 said like you too with 5 EAP225-Outdoor

I think you and Jonathan have a solution to serve 200 client

Thx 

Hello @geraikenangan,

So, I'm not sure if we ever got the bottom of whether or not you can use Ethernet (Cat5e or Cat6) to as the backhaul and PoE power source for the EAP225-Outdoor that radiate out from your central point.

R1D2 and I both agree that wireless mesh IS NOT a good solution for your application.  Hardwired Ethernet is the best solution.  You would need a small switch (e.g. 8 port) in the center of your circle which from which lines would run to each of the EAPs radiating out like spokes of a wheel.

But, if this is not possible, the next best solution would be to uses dedicated, long range wireless backhaul such as the Pharos WISP product line.

https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/outdoor-radio/cpe510/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N2RO63U/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=tpusbuynow-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00N2RO63U&linkId=f8784b322132fe9c095a57c2cc813612

You would use pairs of these directional antennas to link each "remote" EAP-225-Outdoor to the central switch which is counted to your ISP's router.  Thus you would need two of these for every EAP-225-Outdoor.  This would save you from having to run Ethernet to each EAP-225-Outdoor, BUT they would still require power (both the EAP-225-Outdoor and the CPE510 in each "remote" location.

The only other choice would be some sort of hybrid solution where you run Ethernet to a few select homes to connect an EAP-225 or EAP-225-Outdoor.  And these "special users" then become the master nodes for multiple wireless MESH clusters (in a STAR topography) distributed throughout your user community.

-Jonathan

Hii Jonathan aka @JSchnee21 

JSchnee21 wrote

Hello @geraikenangan,

 

So, I'm not sure if we ever got the bottom of whether or not you can use Ethernet (Cat5e or Cat6) to as the backhaul and PoE power source for the EAP225-Outdoor that radiate out from your central point.

 

R1D2 and I both agree that wireless mesh IS NOT a good solution for your application.  Hardwired Ethernet is the best solution.  You would need a small switch (e.g. 8 port) in the center of your circle which from which lines would run to each of the EAPs radiating out like spokes of a wheel.

 

 

-Jonathan

Well this solution is great to manage 200 clients. But the problem maybe is that I have to got permission about 10 house for 80 meter cable and permission to build a tower and got a little electricity in the last house.

I agree too, that mesh is not a good solution

JSchnee21 wrote

But, if this is not possible, the next best solution would be to uses dedicated, long range wireless backhaul such as the Pharos WISP product line.

 

https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/outdoor-radio/cpe510/

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N2RO63U/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=tpusbuynow-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00N2RO63U&linkId=f8784b322132fe9c095a57c2cc813612

 

You would use pairs of these directional antennas to link each "remote" EAP-225-Outdoor to the central switch which is counted to your ISP's router.  Thus you would need two of these for every EAP-225-Outdoor.  This would save you from having to run Ethernet to each EAP-225-Outdoor, BUT they would still require power (both the EAP-225-Outdoor and the CPE510 in each "remote" location.

 

-Jonathan

Well this solution is great too. But the only problem maybe is that I have to got permission to build a tower and got a little electricity in the last house

JSchnee21 wrote

The only other choice would be some sort of hybrid solution where you run Ethernet to a few select homes to connect an EAP-225 or EAP-225-Outdoor.  And these "special users" then become the master nodes for multiple wireless MESH clusters (in a STAR topography) distributed throughout your user community.

 

-Jonathan

Well this solution is great too, to manage 200 clients. But the problem maybe is that I have to got permission about 5 house for 40 meter cable and permission to build a tower and got a little electricity in the "special users".

The conclusion

From all solution, I cannot use 1 EAP225-Outdoor to manage 200 clients simultanly even with litle bandwith for every client

the solution is I need at least 3 EAP225-Outdoor (mean more money) to manage 200 clients simultanly

Thx All 

 never make the mistake of buying eap 110, unfortunately I put 4 of them for 20 users at 15-20 meters distance, and they are not able to handle browsing, roaming, or balance loads. Regrettable product.

@BruMa 

BruMa wrote

 never make the mistake of buying eap 110, unfortunately I put 4 of them for 20 users at 15-20 meters distance, and they are not able to handle browsing, roaming, or balance loads. Regrettable product.

Are you sure not make any mistake in setting eap110?

Many eap110 owner said that 1 eap110 can handle 20 user with right setting...